Thursday, May 22, 2008

A Different Kind of Email

Sidenote to Beth: I just finished Bottle #3, I cannot thank you enough and if I could have another kid I'd name her Schlafly (for the beer!)


I received a question today that is something that I address in classes, so I figured I'd write it out in the blog in case anyone else could use this info. I was knitting for 15 years before I figured it out - with the help of Marjorie Winter!

Question
Hi Annie,

I'm a beginner, taught myself with the guides. I'm wondering why when I cast on my first knittable row is purl. I'm starting my first sweater and it instructs to start on the right side. I am right handed and do the one hand cast on, it's coming out on the purl side. What am I doing wrong?

Thank you, L.
Answer
Hey L -

I'm assuming you're using some type of 2-strand cast on (long tail, etc.) where you have 2 separate strands involved in the casting on process.

When you cast on with 2 strands, one strand is casting on (usually the tail) and one strand is actually knitting the first row.

Note: Reminded by my friend, Helen, here are just two of the MANY ways that one can crack this nut! Who knew casting on was an esoteric thesis waiting to be written? Thanks, Helen!

There are 2 ways to deal with this:

#1 WORKING YOUR FIRST ROW AS A WRONG SIDE ROW
In this case, if you want to work your first row (not the row that's part of the cast on process) as a wrong side row, you need to address it (by purling it if you're working in St. st, for example).

I tell my students that, for instance, if they're working a 4-row stitch repeat, they would work this first wrong side row as Row #4 of the repeat. Row #4 (or whatever the last row is of their repeating stitch pattern) will be a wrong side row, thus when you get back to the Right Side you'll be ready to work Row #1 of the stitch pattern.
#2 CHANGE YOUR TECHNIQUE SO YOU ARE PURLING WHEN YOU CAST ON
To do this you'll have to experiment with your cast on style. Watch what you do, very slowly, and see exactly HOW you're forming that knit stitch that is becoming a row of your work. Now, experiment with different ways of working that portion of the cast on so that you're approaching the stitch from the opposite direction, and creating a purl.

Remember, the technical definition of a knit is that the needle is pointing away from you, and with a purl the needle is pointing toward you. So see if you can work the cast on so that for the 'creating a stitch' portion of the cast on the needle is pointing toward you.
I'm sorry if this last way to deal with the wrong side first row issue is confusing - unless I actually see how you're casting on I can't make it clearer, but I'm hoping that by understanding the concept of what's going on and experimenting you might be able to work it out yourself.

Having said all of that, I HIGHLY recommend using #1 to deal with the RS/WS first row issue!
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16 Comments:

Anonymous Annette said...

It took literally years for me to understand why the bottom of my knitting looked much better on the wrong side than on the right side... ;)

And I just read my Knitting Daily newsletter - I hope the Annie Modesitt Collection will be a huge success! In any case, it was a wonderful occasion to see how varied your designs are.

Go, Annie, go!

May 22, 2008 2:48 PM  
Blogger Carina said...

I do the long tail but hold the yarn in my right hand. A lefty taught me that way, and this way, I don't have to start on the wrong side. It does twist the stitch, though, so I have to knit through the back loop for the first row.

May 22, 2008 7:30 PM  
Blogger susanc said...

I always wondered about that too! Thanks for sharing that with all of us.

Congrats and good luck with the Annie Modesitt Collection - you are one talented lady. I can only aspire and dream to be half the knitter you are - you blow my socks off!

Susan

May 22, 2008 11:19 PM  
Anonymous adriana said...

I can't remember the last time I read your blog... my boy started school this year and I have started teaching. It is great to be back. I have lots of reading to do just to catch up with your adventures.

May 22, 2008 11:34 PM  
Anonymous Robin C. said...

Hi Annie,
I was in one of your Westfield NJ classes this winter, and since then I've been trying little pieces of everything. (including looking at the Vogue knitting books which usually tell me I'm doing everything wrong!) Glad to see the clear up on "long tail cast-on".

In your wonderful class, you stressed "not" saying that you couldn't do something.
I lived in Indonesia for 2 years, and in the Indonesian language, there is no direct word for no.
So I'd already picked up saying "not yet".
As in - Can you play the guitar? Not yet. Can you knit lace? Not yet.

Hope to see you back in NJ soon - who knew that a teacher living in MN could teach me more about my LYS, than anyone else.

Solidarity,
Robin

May 23, 2008 10:41 AM  
Blogger OfTroy said...

as a cast on obsessed knitter, let me say, there are other options-

there are many cast on's besides long tail (but i admit, its the cast on i use most frequently!--or rather a version of it!)

the german (aka norwegian, or twist) is similar to the long tail, but its a bit more reversible (it has purl like bumps on both sides)

i can do the long tail with yarn in left hand, and needle in right Or like Carena (and Nicky Epstien, and others!) with needle in left hand, and yarn in right.

i can also work long tail by starting with index finger, and picking up thumb yarn, (another way to reverse the purl like bumps)

Really, there are lots of options...
does the cast on make a difference? YES !!--NO !!
while different cast on have different characteristics, most can be interchanges with no noticable difference! (there are some exceptions.. Lace, or edges that need a lot of stretch (socks) but even with these, there is more than 1 choice.

May 23, 2008 1:25 PM  
Anonymous Nicole said...

Hmmm. I think I may have to notice how I am casting on. I just usually do it and I haven't paid much attention. Hmmm... now you have me thinking.

I like Robin's Not Yet. I am going to adopt that. I had a finger amputated a few years ago and one thing I asked the doctor was, "Can I play the piano?" Not that I did or anything, but what if I wanted to??? I still don't how, but my not yet of knitting is now a yes I do... I just have to check my cast on!

May 23, 2008 2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That information is soooooo helpful. Thank you.

May 23, 2008 3:21 PM  
Anonymous Ann (yet another) said...

I love me a good cast on. I'm particularly fond of the Channel Island cast on as somewhat mind blowing to people who think the long tail is the only cast on around.

There are more cast ons in heaven and earth than are often dreamt of!

I usually describe how I was taught to do a RS instead of WS cast on by saying "well, assuming you are doing a regular long tail cast on using your left hand, take the looping yarn on your thumb to the back and throw the loop mirrored the other way." But then I get blank looks. So, first I show them how to do this as an alternating cast on (very handy! and how I first actually learned it) and then how to do it all reversed.

To be honest, I often do a twisted Maine aka twisted Norwegian cast on on socks and mittens, as it is nice and stretchy and stable and less "bumpy" than a long tail, and happen to have done one on a sweater recently.

Ah, an article in the making casting on 201 - beyond the basic cast on!

And now off to see what the Knitting Daily said that I missed!

May 23, 2008 5:25 PM  
Blogger lookinout said...

Very interesting. I've never worried about it so I must be able to sort it out when I see it. but you've given me some background.
Gillian

May 23, 2008 9:31 PM  
Blogger ellen said...

Annie..I, too,just saw your collection on the Knitting Daily newsletter. Wow, is all I can say. It boggles my mind how one person can be so creative and produce such unique beauty.
I think I recognize two gorgeous red haired models there!

May 24, 2008 8:54 AM  
Anonymous twinsetellen said...

Delighted to see the AM collection on Knitting Daily!

Also - in re: cast ons - two more options. Choose the bumps for the outside, as I do when I am starting ribbing or sometimes for certain hat or mitten edgings. OR if you don't mind weaving in a few more ends, cast on to a circular or dp and then just slide the whole thing down to the other end and start knitting with a new working yarn.

And I ditto the thanks to Robin for the "not yet". Brilliant!

May 24, 2008 9:47 AM  
Blogger Amy said...

If I am doing something where I want to start with the right side on my first row after the cast on I do a cable cast on or a knitted cast on. When you turn your work at the end of these cast ons you end up on the right side.

I have found that I can't use these cast ons when I'm knitting in the round because it puts me on the wrong side of the knitting...but given your option #2 above I'm now wondering if I can do a "purled cast on" like the knitted cast ons and end up on the right side...

Will experiment with my next in the round knitting - thanks!

Amy in Pittsburgh

May 25, 2008 9:33 PM  
Anonymous Jan said...

I've been reading the blog for a while, and how you make people think when you teach.

Well, today you made me think, and I really appreciate it!

Thanks for those few words about how the needle points -- what simplicity of explanation!

May 26, 2008 10:55 AM  
Anonymous PJ said...

Thanks for this.

May 27, 2008 10:48 AM  
Blogger dragon knitter said...

just wanted to let you know that bloglines has dropped you again. i onlyhad the posts from may 17 & 18. i had to come here to find out the end of the email story!

i'm sorry that she had no sense of humor. i tend to use humor alot myself. some people just don't get it, i guess

June 10, 2008 12:09 AM  

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