The Ears of Many Yarn Shop Owners
As the rain ended the sun was just going down - it was still spritzing and the sunset was AMAZING (and entirely PINK sky with orange and red sun setting. As I was passing a cemetery I stopped and took a photo - lovely, huh?
Then I turned around and saw a rainbow - so gorgeous - the promise of good things to come! Apparently there was a double rainbow (they were talking about it at the guild meeting) but I only saw the one.It was refreshing, because I'd just gotten off the phone with the shop owner in Georgia. I started this entry thinking that I'd write her shop name, but I won't. If anyone really wants to know what shop it is, email me and I'll tell you, but I don't want to publish the name on my blog.
Apparently my suspicions were correct. She stopped payment on the check for two reasons;
1) I didn't stay with her friend (and next door neighbor) who, I was told on the phone today, "cried in the parking lot" when I said I wouldn't be staying with her.
2) I didn't print my own handouts.
A few days before my trip my printer died, so I wrote to each shop explaining that if they could print the handouts that would be great, but if it was a problem let me know and I'd go to Kinko's and print them out. Not really a problem for any of them, and I was VERY grateful for their help, and I didn't hear boo from this shop owner about it being a problem. But suddenly it is a problem for this shop owner. On the phone today she said, "You said you'd print them out if it was a problem!" - Yes, yes I did. And she never told me it was any problem, so how would I know that? This is just a sample of the terrible communication she feels is good business practice.
She left a message on my cell phone where she told me she didn't appreciate being "threatened" - referring to my mention that my lawyer would be in touch with her. Then she herself threatened me by saying, "I have the ear of MANY shop owners..." (when I told my husband this he said, "Did she pay for those ears, or did she cancel the check later...)
So - the upshot is that for those two reasons she feels that it's valid to stop payment on my check. She said,
"I stopped payment to get your attention."
Excuse me?
Okay - show of hands - how many out there have emailed me and had me email right back with help or an answer? I ANSWER EMAILS and she HAD MY PHONE NUMBER. But she chose the more efficient? method of communication, stopping payment on a check. And what was I to infer from this?
All through the conversation she kept saying, "Stop yelling at me - I can't believe you're yelling, can't we just talk like reasonable people? I can't believe you're being so unprofessional!"
Yes, I was really mad, but I wasn't yelling (I told her if she wanted to hear some yelling, I could give her a sample) but it was obvious that she was playing to a room, pretending she was being yelled at. Oy.
She was also upset that when she came into the shop I was sitting in an armchair with my feet up on a foot stool in front of the chair, checking my email and listening to a audio clip that someone had sent me. How Dare I???
Apparently she was upset that I didn't get up when she came in the door. That was reason #3 that she canceled payment on the check. I didn't rise when she entered.
On the phone I tried to recap; "So, let me get this straight - you canceled payment on a check for a contractual obligation that I fulfilled because I didn't stay with your friend and you printed my handouts?"
"Yes. [vaguely] And other things. And I'm going to charge you the fee for the xeroxing and my time and travel expenses to go to Kinkos."
"What other things?"
"You were rude when I came in, you didn't stand up."
"Listen, the stuff about me being rude to you or you being rude to me is a she said / she said situation, and obviously we experienced an incident and saw it two different ways. But the indisputable facts are that I arrived at your shop on time, I provided the service you hired me for, I taught a good finishing class, you were paid $50 by each student who attended, and - with no warning or notice - you stopped payment on the check.
If you had a problem with the class, the time to mention it would have been when you gave me the check. Or you could have emailed me, or called me."
"Why are you yelling at me. Stop yelling at me!"
Q. Which court handles small claims in Gwinnett County?
A. The Magistrate Court handles small claims.
Do I want it to come to Small Claims Court? No. I'd rather she just send me a CASHIERS check for $260.
As my husband said, "Do you feel like visiting your cousin again? How about a Georgia Road Trip?" I'd love to just get the money (what a concept, being paid by the woman for whom I earned $650!),
But I am so angry at her behavior, her own threat to blackball me among yarn shop owners ("I have the ear of many yarn shop owners..."), and her inability to see that this is just NOT how one does business that I'm stupified.
I have a Letter of Agreement, signed and returned by her. I fulfilled each obligation required of me.
(FYI - in answer to a posted comment, I ask yarn shops where I teach for more than 6 hours to provide a night in a hotel or a private room in a smoke-free home, but it's a negotiable at shops where I teach less than 3 hours. I'd never received confirmation of an address where I was staying or an answer to my confirmation email, so I had to assume that there had been no arrangements made.)









37 Comments:
WTF!? I read the previous entry and was angry for you, but now...
You didn't stand up when she entered? Is she serious?! First of all, that's generally a "guy" thing. Secondly, she as the hostess should have welcomed you. Were you supposed to be sitting at attention, waiting for her to arrive and then spring to your feet and salute?
I actually run into this email thing a lot, although not ever to this extreme. I've worked with people who were invited to present at a meeting, never confirmed, and then sent a note asking why they weren't given time & place. Well, maybe because you never said you were coming? You have to ANSWER email people. The sender cannot read your mind.
Her complaints are immature and ridiculous. Nothing she's said is remotely cause for upset, let alone stealing your fee. Mrs. Z should be angry with the shop owner, not you. She's the one that made her cry by not confirming that she had a place for you.
Dammit! I wish I lived in GA so I could boycott that cranky old bat.
It just gets worse, doesn't it? It blows my mind that she thinks she can cancel payment on a check because she perceived you as being rude. What's your next move? I hope you do have your lawyer contact her!
Please. Sue her. She's making all southerners and shop owners look bad. She's in Gwinett, so she can afford it. :)
All I can say is that she has a serious problem. Maybe she has borderline personality disorder or something. I had a class with you and you weren't feeling well, and even though you probably felt like sh*t you gave 100%. You are a total professional, and she is not. I hope you get your money, and without too much hassle.
Well, you have the ears of many knitters.
If this person had just taken the time to respond to your e-mails, all of this could have been avoided.
I know for a fact that you are very prompt in returning e-mails that aren't even business related.
Just because you love to knit does not mean you are ready to handle a business. I wonder what professional background this woman has. Our LYS closed down because the owner was a fantastic knitter, loved yarn blah blah blah, but had no clue about the actual business of owning a store.
I still think you should out the shop....and begin recording all telephone communication with the owner. She may have the ear of many shop owners, but you have the ear of many more knitters.
She thought you were rude for not getting up when you are suffering from COPD? Can you send me the name of the shop?
That woman is truly a piece of work. She just does not get it. In a case like this are punitive damages a possibility? She deserves to be punished severely! I've dealt with you on-line at your store and you do not deserve this treatment. You are a very nice person.
Cathy
You didn't stand-up when she entered the room..jezz who did she think she was ?...don't think you should be liable for any rubbish she thought up as a way to get out of paying it just can't be legal.
Haha - I'm laughing because I don't know what else to do in response to this completely ILLOGICAL situation. Keep us updated on whether you end up getting your honestly-earned money!
Holly's Mum here..just looked at your pattern site..gorgeous.We don't order on the net but bought your exquisite corset pattern from "Get Knitted" here.I think I shall E;Mail them about stocking more of your patterns my daughter adored the Racoon jacket and your hats .She loves vintage .Angie Cox.
I'm definitely going to email you for the shop name. I do a lot of business online and via phone and don't want ANY to go this woman's way. Sounds to me like she was embarrassed because of the situation with her friend; instead of owning up to the fact that she didn't communicate lodging arrangements with you, she preferred to blame you. As far as her having the ear of many shop owners, Puh-lease! So what? Your name is very well known and highly respected! Classes from you bring in business, bottom line. People likely know her for this type of behavior anyway. What a spoiled brat of person! Get your money Annie even if you have to go to court! By the way, the photos are absolutely beautiful!!
Good heavens. Why is that miserable woman in business?
Did she say why she didn't let you know she had made arrangements for you to stay with the neighbor, or that printing the handouts would be a problem?
You're being logical and truthful, and more than gracious. Just wanted to say I'm one of those people you promptly responded to, and I very much appreciate it.
I'm an Annie FanŠ, despite what any crabby, lawbreaking yarn store owners might think of you.
I think you should go for the $650.00 but I'm not sure but I believe in small claims court you do it in your town.?. It is up to her to get there. Please let me know if I'm wrong though, it might be different because you went to her shop. Really how can someone be so rude. I definitely would like to know who it is as we are planning a trip to Georgia and I want to bypass this store.
I am so sorry to hear about your awful experience with this shop owner. Whenever I read your blog, your good spirits and sense of humor come through loud and clear so your post made me realize how upset you must be (understandbly so). Hang in there!
Are you sure it wasn't in Michigan? I taught for a shop and got treatment like that--I no longer teach or shop there. Same thing on the phone stuff, too. Really, it's quite eerie--they must be related or something.
I think you're being rather restrained about it. I wasn't quite so restrained, although I don't go around telling people not to shop there, either. I did report her to the BBB, the two companies I knew of who owned the copyrighted patterns she sold illegally, and the State Attorney General's office for violation of our state's pricing law. I made sure that I had witnesses for everything I reported, and it was all true, but that's why she's hated me ever since.
*sigh* Why can't all owners be nice to their teachers?
Annie, did you think to record the phone conversation? The bits with her claiming you were shouting when you weren't would have made interesting evidence.
I still say if she didn't refund all the money to her customers who came - she is extra wrong - because then she made more money by keeping your fee.
Wow that is a weird sentence - I hope the idea came across -- I tried putting is a few different ways and they sounded even stranger than this did :D
I do feel sorry for her friend - but that is her fault not yours as she never emailed you.
Annie,
I would love to know the name of that shop since I spent 10 years in Atlanta and spent money at all the shops that existed in 2001 and before. This shop is most likely a new shop and needs a good lesson on customer service. I certainly hope that if she did not pay you she did the honest thing and returned the money to the class members. I hope some of her class is reading your blog.
I travel allot myself and you are correct, you can never assume someone is going to house you if they do not confirm.
Atlanta is a great city and it seems that all the other shops treated you with respect and enjoyed your classes. I hope you travel back down south again.
Beth
She may have the ears of many yarn shop owners(that I seriously doubt), but you have the ears of many knitters. And guess who the yarn shop owners are going to listen to? The knitters who want to take your classes. I'll probably never shop in person there, but if she ever goes on-line, she'll never get a dime of my money. I'll bet at least some of the students who took your class there visit this blog. I wonder what they think of this situation, especially knowing that they paid $50 for the class and you got not one dime of it. It is yarn shop owners like her that are the cause of me doing most of my knitting supply shopping on-line.
Cathy
This situation is indeed unfortunate. What stands out here is that she cancelled the check "to get your attention". How very unprofessional. Addressing the situation at the time, or even with a phone call afterward would have covered that.
Her actions clearly were to punish you, and enrich herself.
The threat of many shopowner's ears is interesting. Does she mean to share with them how to cheat legititmate teachers out of their rightful share of class profits? Just wondering.
Pamela
OH my GOD! I'm horrified! That is NOT Southern Hospitality and I'm so sorry you had this experience down here in Atlanta. Personally, having grown up here in Atlanta I stay inside the Perimeter so rarely and under duress go to Gwinnett. I was thrilled you were going to be in Atlanta till I saw you actually werent in Atlanta but a good 45 min's away in metro ATlanta.
Please come back to Atlanta! This lady is just a crazy bad business woman and we Southerners as a whole have great manners and really go overboard to make people feel welcomed and at home.
Annie,
I just happen to know which shop you are referring to because I was in that class. I had taken a class a few days earlier and had such a GREAT time...I learned a lot and we laughed a lot...and I loved the "Melanie and Ashley" thing. After all, this is Atlanta. Anyway, I digress. The class at the rude shop was much more subdued and I wondered if it was because it was in the evening and maybe everyone was just plain tired. Obviously not! I'm very sorry for the way you were treated. The shop owner absolutely needs to hear from your attorney! You definitely deserve to be paid for your time and expertise. I certainly will be sharing your experience with my knitting friends and students.
I definitely agree with the earlier postings that you do not charge enough for your classes. I was shocked at what you said you charged! I am also shocked at what you are paid in comparison with what the shop owner raked in. I am a former treasurer with a state-wide quilting organization, and I can assure you that quilting teachers make a lot more money for teaching, and additionally, they have their travel expenses paid (airfare, meals, hotels). A teacher/designer of your caliber should be charging a lot more.
Hopefully, this experience with this one shop will not dampen your enthusiam for returning to the Atlanta area and sharing your wealth of knowledge and down-right good humor with the rest of us. I can assure you that I am a fan and feel it a privilege to have sat under your teaching.
Hi there - I'd like to be filled in on the name of the shop too - this way I can make sure not to spend a dime there again!
-AL in Georgia
alreillygator AT yahoo DOT com
She should realize you have the ears of far more knitters than she does shop owners.
Also, would you want to go teach for shop owners she has the ear oof anyway?
Birds of a feather...
I agree with Sara above; just loving knitting isn't enough. People who are apparently successful in business can also be very rude and have primadonna assumptions like this woman. Do you have a contractual agreement that the shop owner/guild signs before you agree to come and put on a program. Sara Lamb, a member of my local fibers guild, is also a reknowned weaving and spinning teacher and was describing changes in the contract she signed to teach at one of the major fiber conferences coming up this year, and I couldn't help but notice that all the points were in favor of the organization, not the teacher. I hope you have access to some advisors that can write up a document to prevent this in the future; people need to pay for their purchases even when things don't come out the way planned, and this woman also needs to own her miscommunication and false assumptions as well. I remember one of my high school students forcing a parent-teacher-prinicipal conference claiming I had yelled at her; she had been raised as the youngest "little princess" of the family, and no one even challenged her actions before. I said the same thing - "you haven't seen me yell yet". You will be in my thoughts...
So sorry for such bad energy to surround your knitting/teaching experience! I'm a closet Nancy Drew and figured out which shop this is. Just read the woman's blog and a very negative thread runs throughout it. She seems to have problems with all kinds of people encounters. I think you should take whatever steps are available to receive the fee you earned, but y'know I actually feel sorry for that woman!
Annie,
I missed meeting you when you were here in Atlanta (I was one of the guild folsk who missed you, I heard from some folks who met you at a shop that I should have taken the afternoon off on Friday for your class... I am dying to know which yarn shop I need to boycott. Please tell me?
Hope to see you in Atlanta again... just not at that horrid woman's shop, okay?
Katey
kateyj at gmail dot com
oh dear. i am a new knitter and that doesn't sound like knitter behavior. i live in atlanta and my friend katey (who posted the previous comment) loves you and raves about your knitting. i hope that lady doesn't stop you from visiting the south again. i'm a yankee, too and frequently question people's manners down here. as long as you add "bless her heart" at the end of slagging people off, it seems to be ok.
Annie - if you need the help of a lawyer/knitter, email me. I'll help you for nothing..............
Yikes! What a mess!
When ever I've had a teacher here, I pay them with cash. It is much easier that way, and they appreciate the cash in hand (and I don't have to wait for a check to clear my bank).
I do hope you get your money from her.
I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Luckily, I'm sure you have good legal representation. Unfortunately, I suspect that your lawyer's hourly rate is more than this woman owes you.
Ugh. I would sue her just for being so rude. But then, I'm a lawyer and I don't have to pay myself.
If you do have to sue, be sure to sue for your fee plus lawyer's fees and plus expenses to travel back to Georgia. But a scary letter from your lawyer will probably do the trick, just in case she thinks you're bluffing. ...Horrible story!
LOL.... She may have the ear of many yarn shop owners BUT there are more yarn shop patrons than owners. What part of "don't bite the hand that feeds you" doesn't she understand? If she keeps this up, she won't have a yarn store for very long!
Dear Annie
I'm so glad that I've just seen your teaching segment on Knitty Gritty for the corset-T.
I think you are a phenomenal teacher, and clearly a generous person. I'm thrilled to finally find the 'knitting heretic'! What an incredible gift you are to artists everwhere.
In response to the GA LYS, please email me the name of the shop. I'm a traveler and though I've not yet been to georgia, I want to make sure I don't accidently go into such a place. I've had my own difficult experiences with a LYS owner. This one sits and gossips with her church friends and doesn't greet or approach you. Also, she answers questions in a brusque manner. And the one time I asked her for help in sizing-up a pattern, (I wear a size 18 top) she told me not to bother. This was despite the fact that she is a woman of size herself. Fortunately, a brand new shop has just opened in town and I'll be traveling there soon.
So, Annie, I recommend you let your lawyer proceed and practice letting go of this very small woman. A knitting/spiritual practice I've undertaken is to offer happiness for those miserable people in my life while I knit-it's amazing what happens!
I'll be visiting your blog frequently, now that I've found you.
Many grateful thank yous!
have randomly stumbled upon your blog and read this post.
i have a VERY strong feeling about who this might have been...
as i had a similar very uncomfortable experience with a shop in town - with particular attention to a shop owner...might this have occured in BUCKHEAD???
ugh.
i am so sorry that happened to you. whenever you are back, if you don't already know..there is a wonderful shop called KNITCH.
i don't really go anywhere else now, unless i have to get a specific yarn they dont carry.
what is the deal with some yarn shop owners??? seems to be a trend here...ther eis more than one shop here in town that myself,and my friends have gotten major attitude in.
s
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